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peggissue
Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 33
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I don't know if they work or not, but there is a PhD, Dr. Pickart, who swears by copper peptides.  He has a whole line of copper products.  What do you think?

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peggissue
Registered: 10/07/05
Posts: 335
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no offense, i don't know his background or anything, but i would imagine the doctor would , of course, swear by them if he is attempting to sell his product line..
here is an excerpt of info from paula begoun's website, take it as you will...there are several actives she states that they show effectiveness for wound healing and how that doesn't translate into effectiveness for wrinkles, such as matrixyl...but i ventured to use matrixyl out of my curiosity and i have seen good results...
          i am not bashing paula, i am a big fan and very grateful for her work , but she is a good source for documented trial information on ingredients...i believe in being an informed consumer but that doesn't mean i don't try something even if it may not do what i want it to(it gets chalked up to experience)

copper gluconate. Copper is an important trace element for human nutrition. The body needs copper to absorb and utilize iron, and copper is also a component of the powerful antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase. Copper supplements have been shown to increase superoxide dismutase levels in humans (Source: Healthnotes Review of Complementary and Integrative Medicine, http://www.healthnotes.com). The synthesis of collagen and elastin is in part related to the presence of copper in the body, and copper is also important for many other processes. For example, there is research showing that copper is effective for wound healing (Sources: Journal of Clinical Investigation, November 1993, pages 2368�2376; and Federation of European Biochemical Sciences Letter, October 1988, pages 343�346). However, wound healing is the result of many biophysical processes that have nothing to do with wrinkling.
  also check out this link...this is a good site as this man has nothing to sell product wise.
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/copper.html

hannah

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Registered: 08/22/05
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I am back!

The reason why we don't sell copper (as copper gluconate or similar) is that copper is needed in very small amounts. Too much copper is bad and it would be hard to formulate without getting too much of it.

Plants also need copper in very small amounts so I am sure that between one plant extract and another we are getting enough copper.

superguy

peggissue
Registered: 12/17/05
Posts: 10
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Hi friends,

 

I have used Copper Peptide(Dr Pickard, SkinBio) for about a year. The changes I have seen:

 

Pros

:- Copper has been excellent in collagen building but it does not plump up my skin like Matrixyl does. My face look firm and young.

 

:- I used this serum before Affirm Retinol and it eliminates unwanted harshness associate with Retinol.

 

:- A little goes a long way.

 

Cons

:- It does not eliminate wrinkles

 

:- It can't be used with Vitamin C.

 

:- Initial stage of using Copper, I have a small breakout of acne.

 

Conclusion

It it an inexpensive way for collagen building. One 4 oz serum can last for

about a year. A happy costumer I'm and would be using Copper future wise 

 

Superguy

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peggissue
Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 169
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I have used Copper Peptides serum and Trireduction cream a few years ago and it helped my skin allot. It began the process of smoothing out the texture but it did little for  lines or wrinkles.  My chest skin also smoothed out and got an more even colour/tone. I was pleased with them and may well use them now and again. For now though, I am using SAS and lines are diminishing and texture it also still improving.


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I had great results using Skin Bio products years ago too -- BTW, Copper Gluconate is NOT the same as copper peptides. And My opinion of Paula Begoun is... well, let's just say she's not the final authority.

 

For thinning skin copper peptides works great -- but like other collagen boosters, such as topical C, retinoids, etc.... it causes angiogenesis. Meaning those of us with ruddy complexions and tendency to develop lots of surface capillaries will get more with the skin thickening. The only cure is to get them lasered.

 

BUT -- EGF does NOT promote angiogenesis --- which is why I am so in love with it! I've heard other people say the same thing about EGF, that it's the only skin thickener they've found that doesn't give them more surface capillaries. It actually seems to "fade" the existing ones -- because the epidermis is less transparent.

 

Excessive topical copper has been associated, in theory, with MMP production (Matrix Metalloproteinase), whose inhibition is being studied and used for antiaging and diseases. Vitamin C and retinoids are both powerful MMP inhibitors. Dr. Patrica Wexler's skincare line is based on MMP inhibition.

Also, Dr. Christine Northrup (look her up on amazon.com) has cited that excessive copper in the body contributes to menopausal symptoms in women going through menopause.

 

With copper, a little goes a long way. And Dr. Pickard (who I've spoken to, he's a great guy) has spent years developing his copper peptide products -- they are far superior to products -- Neutrogena, Osmotics, Neova -- that use his first generation of copper peptides.

 

If you want to try using topical copper peptides, go for Skin Bio's products -- he's worked out the perfect peptides and formulations. And he has a great forum. I wouldn't mess around with making my own.

 

BTW, I have noticed copper popping up at the bottom of alot of new anti-aging creams -- it seems to be a trend -- again, I think using copper peptide chains is more effective.

vanyel5

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peggissue
Registered: 10/07/05
Posts: 335
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if you look up copper peptides on paula's site it directs you to copper gluconate..take that as you will and feel free to contact her about that...and no she isn't the final authority..truly noone is the final authority on this subject, but i believe she has done a lot of work clearing up misconceptions with skincare, she has guided me down a better path of taking care of my skin.    as i stated i don't take all her works at face value, i do some of my own 'trials' on my skin if i hear a lot of buzz about certain products (matrixyl for example)  so i don't always agree with her stringent view on clinical double blind trials, in vivo, etc.  but i rely on her to keep me somewhat levelheaded about the ability of products to do what they state.  but once again, for me, it all boils down to being an informed consumer and doing your own research..in this day and age of computer access and search engines there is plenty of info out there...you just have to decide what you want to listen to...
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Originally Posted by Lili

I had great results using Skin Bio products years ago too -- BTW, Copper Gluconate is NOT the same as copper peptides. And My opinion of Paula Begoun is... well, let's just say she's not the final authority.

 

For thinning skin copper peptides works great -- but like other collagen boosters, such as topical C, retinoids, etc.... it causes angiogenesis. Meaning those of us with ruddy complexions and tendency to develop lots of surface capillaries will get more with the skin thickening. The only cure is to get them lasered.

 

BUT -- EGF does NOT promote angiogenesis --- which is why I am so in love with it! I've heard other people say the same thing about EGF, that it's the only skin thickener they've found that doesn't give them more surface capillaries. It actually seems to "fade" the existing ones -- because the epidermis is less transparent.

 

Excessive topical copper has been associated, in theory, with MMP production (Matrix Metalloproteinase), whose inhibition is being studied and used for antiaging and diseases. Vitamin C and retinoids are both powerful MMP inhibitors. Dr. Patrica Wexler's skincare line is based on MMP inhibition.

Also, Dr. Christine Northrup (look her up on amazon.com) has cited that excessive copper in the body contributes to menopausal symptoms in women going through menopause.

 

With copper, a little goes a long way. And Dr. Pickard (who I've spoken to, he's a great guy) has spent years developing his copper peptide products -- they are far superior to products -- Neutrogena, Osmotics, Neova -- that use his first generation of copper peptides.

 

If you want to try using topical copper peptides, go for Skin Bio's products -- he's worked out the perfect peptides and formulations. And he has a great forum. I wouldn't mess around with making my own.

 

BTW, I have noticed copper popping up at the bottom of alot of new anti-aging creams -- it seems to be a trend -- again, I think using copper peptide chains is more effective.



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Originally Posted by superguy

Hi friends,

 

I have used Copper Peptide(Dr Pickard, SkinBio) for about a year.


Conclusion

It it an inexpensive way for collagen building. One 4 oz serum can last for

about a year. A happy costumer I'm and would be using Copper future wise 

 

Superguy


I am on a budget and saw some for $20/oz. /bottle (before shipping, etc.) so I think your SkinBio/Dr. Pickard is a great deal.  I have used Neutrogena's Visibly Firm night cream with copper before and like it.  I'd rather make my own, of course!
Do you have a recipe for a cream that might use EGF or any other actives?
Thanks muches!
Jo


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I have a whole box full of Dr. Pickard's copper peptide creams and serums -- have been waiting to find someone who wants them -- I'd be happy to give them to you, if you like.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lili

I have a whole box full of Dr. Pickard's copper peptide creams and serums -- have been waiting to find someone who wants them -- I'd be happy to give them to you, if you like.

Hi, Lili!

You are too kind!  I'd be happy to take them off your hands!  Please private message me and we can talk about shipping them and what costs you want.  I am truly on a tight budget on disability, so it would help me out incredibly! 

Big hugs,

Jo


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