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chirpster

Registered: 10/15/07
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I have had no success in finding anything to help with this. I am 46 and overall have really nice skin, but my under-eye skin has gotten very papery and crinkly recently. When I smile, the lines sort of cascade down to my cheek--YUCK!!!!

I've been using Retin-A cream for about 5 months to try to increase the thickness. I don't think it's had any results yet. I even had dermal filler (juvaderm) under my eyes! It really didn't make any difference. It seems to be the skin itself, rather than the volume of what's under it. I'm really worrying about this since I thought the dermal filler was the "last resort"! I've been using SAS anti-aging cream and Let's Make Collagen serum for a few weeks now.

Any thoughts on what might actually repair this skin and help me grow nice, new, healthy skin instead? Peels? Laser? Actives? Help, pleeeeeeeeze!!

Linda R.


Angel

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Registered: 10/29/06
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This sounds like me a year ago, then I found SAS.  One of the first products I ordered was Bright-I.  I would really recommend it for you.  I'm 56 and it is almost miraculous the difference the products have made.  My eyelids, both upper and lower are firmer and the skin is definitely thicker.  I had gotten where I hated to smile because I would get cross-hatched lines along the upper edge of my cheek bone.  I also use the Anti-aging cream and Let's Make Collagen.  I attribute the Collagen serum to getting rid of the last bit of puffiness under my eyes that remained after using the eye cream for 9 months.  And, NO, I'm not related to Hannah in anyway!  I am so thankful that I found this site and that Hannah is using her brilliant mind to develop products that are affordable and that really give results!!

I think you really need to allow more than a few weeks to see real results.  You skin didn't get to the state it is in overnight and it will take time to rebuild the collagen matrix. 

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chirpster

Registered: 10/15/07
Posts: 11
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Thanks, Angel!

I will try the Bright I, for sure. I wasn't expecting an overnight change with the SAS (I WAS expecting a miracle with the dermal fillers, darn it!!!) but I didn't know if there was something else specifically for thickening the skin that I might need. I'm so glad to hear of your results!

I was wondering if I needed to do something more drastic (like a peel) to stimulate new skin growth.

Linda

dolly

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Registered: 04/09/06
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I don't know if this will help, but it certainly makes the skin look better under and around the eyes. ELS !!  Just put a small drop in the palm of your hand and pat it under the eyes. You don't need much.

Dolly
chirpster

Registered: 10/15/07
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Thanks, Dolly, I just started using the ELS! It may not thicken the skin, but it certainly does feel good. I LOVE that stuff--it's going to be a life-saver this winter, I can tell. I've got the anti-aging cream which has EGF, and hopefully that will work to build up my skin some. I'm going to play around with adding actives to the ELS to make a skin-thickening treatment I can use at night.

I read a post that mentioned coconut endosperm and soy isoflavinoids (I think) as being good for thin skin, too.

Linda

caro

Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 231
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Originally Posted by chirpster
I have had no success in finding anything to help with this. I am 46 and overall have really nice skin, but my under-eye skin has gotten very papery and crinkly recently. When I smile, the lines sort of cascade down to my cheek--YUCK!!!!

I've been using Retin-A cream for about 5 months to try to increase the thickness. I don't think it's had any results yet. I even had dermal filler (juvaderm) under my eyes! It really didn't make any difference. It seems to be the skin itself, rather than the volume of what's under it. I'm really worrying about this since I thought the dermal filler was the "last resort"! I've been using SAS anti-aging cream and Let's Make Collagen serum for a few weeks now.

Any thoughts on what might actually repair this skin and help me grow nice, new, healthy skin instead? Peels? Laser? Actives? Help, pleeeeeeeeze!!

Linda R.
Linda, like you I have had filler under my eyes which was very successful but then I started to get sort of waves in the skin (slackness I think).  I have used eye bright and DMAE serum which was good BUT the real success came when I started to put KGF Serum for brows and lashes under and above my eyes. I actually got that tip off the forum.  In a week the difference was amazing and I look at myself under florescent light and am very critical!   I do use Lets Make Collagen, CHAS, plus Double C Serum (my own concoction) as well as I think Vitamin C has a proven track record!

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caro

Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 231
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Thanks, Angel!

I will try the Bright I, for sure. I wasn't expecting an overnight change with the SAS (I WAS expecting a miracle with the dermal fillers, darn it!!!) but I didn't know if there was something else specifically for thickening the skin that I might need. I'm so glad to hear of your results!

I was wondering if I needed to do something more drastic (like a peel) to stimulate new skin growth.

Linda
Laser would do it........definitely.

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DCNGA

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I have had lower lid Erbium laser resurfacing for fine lines of the lower lid. I, personally, don't recommend it as a first line of defense for crepey under eye skin. I had it done last December and am now left (yes, with less fine lines on my lower lid) with hollowing (enhanced tear troughs) and creases under my eyes when I smile that I did not have prior to the laser resurfacing.

I also had a 35% TCA w/Jessner's peel in the early 90's for acne scarring and I will say that it did more for me than the laser did and with much less downtime and healing angst. I did not have wrinkles per se back in the early 90's but I did have much more pronounced acne scarring (rolling scars) and the peel did a miraculous job on them. I did happen to have a great derm here in Atlanta who has literally written text books on chemical peels and I'm sure that helped as well.

I would start out, as you have, with trying SAS products for a few months to see if they help. Then, I might would move on if the SAS products don't offer you what you wish, to finding an expert derm in your area who is highly experienced with TCA or medium depth peels, and try that long before I would consider laser resurfacing. But, that's all just a personal opinion.

FYI: I've corresponded with several ladies who've had similar experiences as mine with laser resurfacing so I don't think my situation is an isolated case.

Good luck.

D

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chirpster

Registered: 10/15/07
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Wow, KGF, huh? I have not really understood that active very well, I don't think. At least for use on the skin, anyway. I hadn't thought of it at all for this problem, but I'll definitely be looking at it now! That's incredibly cool how it worked for you.

I'm not very familiar with laser treatments and don't know many people who have had them, so I appreciate your message, D.  Maybe microdermabrasion would help and not have bad effects. It's supposed to stimulate collagen. Do you know why the laser left you with hollows? I never knew that could happen, but that's pretty scary.

Linda

DCNGA

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No one has been able to give me a really good reason. I went to a local, well known occuplast here in Atlanta to see what his take was. He said he thought the extra creasing came from the swelling I had post-procedure that stretched the skin.

The theory is that collagen will remodel after a peel or laser resurfacing and plump up the area. The only thing is, not everyone's skin reacts exactly the same. I know of at least three other women who have the extra creasing and three that have increased hollowing. It's a coin toss and one I wish that I had not done, personally. I don't think it was my doc's fault, just the way my body reacted. For me, it's not worth the risk and I would never again do ablative laser. I also had V-Beam full-face for broken capillaries. That is not ablative and it worked beautifully. It reduced my broken caps by about 75%. My derm did it for me. He did not do the resurfacing and was a little upset that I had resurfacing. He suggests that peels are a much gentler way with less side effects/risks if done at the hands of an experienced derm. I agree.

SAS products have done a great job of helping me to have better skin since the resurfacing and other PS I had done. My skin itself is in the best shape it's ever been in and I owe it to SAS. My derm even told me my skin was looking much better "these days."



HTH.

D


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