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Sorry one last thing. How long does it take to start seeing some results a few months? Only reason I ask I have been taking it for a month and haven't seen any results yet.
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It depends on the person. Still, I am sure it is already working. Sometimes, the improvements are hard to see because the skin looks drier with the serum as it dries. In this case, a hint of ELS serum will "reveal" the improvements.
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Also, is your collagen serum  better for wrinkles than your anti aging cream? Or will both work about the same for reducing wrinkles over time?
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Both work. They contain some of the same actives but there are also differences. Use them both, maybe alternating if you feel that it takes too much effort/time.
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Hi Hannah,

Can your Collagen Serum also be used with Retin A?  Also, do you know how long it takes for it to be absorbed into your skin? 

Thank you.
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The collagen serum will work well with vitamin A. Why?  Because just like EGF, Vitamin A is a signal molecule, and the cell will require many nutrients to follow the instructions given by Vitamin A.

Vitamin A is very important bit it is a double edge sword: if you use one of the highly irritating forms of retinoids yu should avoid the sun, exfoliators and try to compensate for the continuous erosion of the skin barrier. ELS serum will come vary handy, because it will soothe the skin plus provide nutrients for cell housekeeping.

Especially when using any type of vitamin A, you can be sure that collagen serum will be well absorbed.
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Great to know, thank you just a few follow up questions.

1)Since there is some Vitamin C in it, it is the non acidic version since your Collagen has Growth Factors as well as can be used with Vitamin A?


2) How does your Collagen Serum compare to other Growth Factor serums that cost around $150-$300 dollars? Such as tns essential serum, etc?

3) And how long does it take for your serum to mostly absorbed into the skin?

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About TNS, you can do a search of this forum, there are lots of posts but here is the short answer:

"I don't remember promising to emulate something as bad as this serum. I may have said that we were going to introduce the real thing, which would would be SAS collagen serum.

The formulation below uses discarded growth medium that has been in contact with human cells, a dangerous practice. Conversely, we use actual epidermal growth factor, and other ingredients that can only benefit your skin.

The ingredient list is an example of what not to do: a bad start with the recycled medium, useless ingredients like the hydroxyproline derivative and lots of fragrance ingredients that can only hurt. In bold are good ingredients that we also use.

Human Fibroblast Conditioned Media, Water, Cetyl Ethylhexanoate, Olive Unsaponifiables, Alpha-Arbutin, Isoceteth-20, Arachidyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Ethoxydiglycol, Shea Butter, Palmitoyl Tripeptide-5, Ergothioneine, Dipalmitoyl Hydroxyproline, Hydrolyzed Sericin, Phospholipids, Ubiquinone, Blackberry Leaf Extract, Saccharomyces Ferment Lysate Filtrate, Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate, Aminobutyric Acid, Phytosterols, Tocopherol, Tocotrienols, Squalene, Rice Bran Wax, Sodium Hyaluronate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Camellia Oleifera Leaf Extract, Dimethicone, Ethylhexyl Palmitate, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Polyacrylate-13, Polyisobutene, Polysorbate 20, Behenyl Alcohol, Arachidyl Glucoside, Cetearyl Alcohol, Steareth-10, Steareth-20, Butylene Glycol, Maltodextrin, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Xanthan Gum, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Aminomethyl Propanol, Disodium EDTA, Caprylyl Glycol, Caprylhydroxamic Acid, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Potassium Sorbate, Fragrance, Hydroxycitronellal, Linalool, Coumarin, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Geraniol, Isoeugenol".

TNS is a bad idea from start to finish: discarded growth medium is usually disinfected with Clorox (or autoclaved) and discarded. It is considered inherently dangerous because it may contain viruses or unwanted DNA. Once autoclaved, it is safe (and useless).

Epidermal growth factor (sH) requires know how and so[sophisticated science. A decade ago, it used to be extracted from human urine. Use of any human stuff is banned by the FDA, as it should be.

Ours is pure protein "bioidentical" to our own growth factor but it has never been in contact with human cells before touching your skin, as it should be.

TNS should not be sold or given away. If it contains any growth factors, they are either horse or cow (used to grow human cells in culture) or made by human cells that are not yours and potentially contaminated with unwanted DNA or RNA.

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The answer to "how long" cannot be given without an experiment which is not worth doing. Just apply it, if possible after a shower or bath (it increases absorption of water soluble actives). Just use it, it will get to the cells that need it.

Yes, the vitamin C in collagen serum is non-acidic (magnesium ascorbyl phosphate).

What do I mean by "not worth doing"? When the cost and complexity is too much as compared to the usefulness of the answer.
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Thank you for thorough and thoughtful responses. I was trying to figure out if I should first Apply Retin A then wait 20 minutes and apply your Collagen Serum or vice versa. But it looks like it doesn't matter which one to apply first as long as I am consistent with both. 

Thanks Again!
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