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GumTree

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Hello, 

I would like to lightly thin the consistency of the Hair Serum. What would be best? Water or something else? 

For water, should I do distilled water or boiled water? 

I thought I might use a small portion of the serum to DIY, as I don't want to ruin the product accidentally or disrupt the preservative balance of the entire bottle. 

I am thinking of thinning the Hair Serum, because - I think my refrigerator is too cold, but I need it that temperature - the serum is texturally like cold gravy. 

So: 
1. Is thinning the serum alright?
2. What substance is recommended to thin it?

Thank you!
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How about applying it to wet scalp?

There is no easy answer: adding distilled water to the present formulation would dilute everything in the serum, including KGF and other valuable actives. Long term it could decrease "shelf life".

We will discuss your request and see what can be done, but it may take a while.
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Dear Hannah, 

Thank you for the reply.

Yes, I use it on a wet scalp. 

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"...adding distilled water to the present formulation would dilute everything in the serum, including KGF and other valuable actives...."


Dilute in a harmful way? My thought is that if it was, say, 0.5 teaspoon serum, and a 0.5 teaspoon water, I would then apply 1 teaspoon of the made up solution to my scalp.

I do know that what you made is very carefully balanced and I am very hesitant to tinker with it, when I don't know what I am doing. 

My request is about the bottle I already have - no need for *you* to do anything. :-)

Thank you for your time, and have a great Holiday (I don't expect a reply before January).


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Hello,

Diluting any product means you will be getting less activity. If you use only half the amount of product you would normally be using then you are getting only half as many actives as you would if it were not diluted. This shouldn't be an issue as long as you are aware of this.

If you do want to thin it out, it would be best to do so each use so you aren't affecting the whole bottle. Mixing it for each use means you won't have to add more preservative since you are using it right away. However, if you do want to add distilled water to the whole bottle of serum you need to preserve that additional water. You will need to add 1% preservative for the additional water added. For example, if you add 60 ml of additional distilled water to the serum you will add 0.6 ml of preservative, like Germaben II.

Let us know if you have any other questions about this.

Thanks,

Kathryn

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Dear Kathryn, 

Of course! Diluting the actives is not the objective, diluting the consistency is. So, if I was using .5 teaspoon of serum, and added .5 water, I would use 1 teaspoon of DIY.

I am using .5 teaspoons as an example, because I have no idea of what the final water to serum amount will end up being. Maybe it only needs a nudge, or maybe a lot. 

Yes, indeed, I only wish to use a small portion of serum to DIY, I am much too cautious to mess with the entire bottle.

I really want a runny consistency. That when I apply it, it wants to *run* everywhere. Currently, it is a thick gel, and I am applying it in dabs to the skin with the nozzle. It is frustrating to apply...and I don't want that to be my everyday experience with it. I am so enthused about the product and I don't want to lose that.

Thank you for your time, Kathryn. Have a great Holiday! 
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Hello,

I wanted to make another suggestion you can try before you go through the work of thinning the serum each use. The lumps in the gel formed by our bioferment can often be broken up. Clean a food processor with some isopropyl alcohol and let it dry. Then try adding some of the serum to the food processor and run it through there a bit. It is possible this will break up the gel enough that you won't have to dilute the product. No guarantees it will work to give you what you want, but it is worth a try.

Happy holidays!

Thanks,

Kathryn

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Hello, 

I thought I should give a little update. 

I read more about the Hair Serum in the forum, and about the individual ingredients. Sea kelp is the first ingredient of the Serum. From what I've read, the texture of the sea kelp is of a gel. So the texture of the Hair Serum will always be on the gel side.

Thinning the Hair Serum. I have found, for my preferences, it takes a bit more water than a 1:1 ration of Hair Serum and water. The problem is that much water, takes a long time to air dry. (Blow drying of course, is not workable.)

So if it needs to be a gel, then I have to figure out the best way of applying it. What works for me, is to press the dispenser tip, straight to my scalp. Gently squeeze, and run it in a zip-zag pattern all over the area I want covered. This works very well. The product only slightly squishes or smears out of the tip. It does not come out in a blob, or a plump line. I had originally tried little dots of product, but the smearing method works the best for me. 

I think what had me a little off balance was that the product is called a serum. I am accustomed to face serums, and I thought the texture would be similar. Also, my previous experience with hair loss products applied to scalps was liquid Rogaine. This sounds whiny. I don't mean it that way, I just want to be upfront, to maybe help someone else.

Thank you all for the advice, thoughts and encouragement about using this product. I am still happy, excited and hopeful.

Take care ~

TL;DR: Leave product as it is and smear it!
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Hello, this is a year update. I have continued to use the product as it was formulated. I have continued to apply it in a zig-zag pattern and find it works well.
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Hi GumTree, 
How has the serum worked for your hair growth? You can post before and after pics here if you have any [smile] 
Jess
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Hi JRoth525, 

It worked. :-) 

I wrote my experiences with it as a new topic. Here: https://skinactives.websitetoolbox.com/post/hair-serum-one-year-update-it-grew-hair-8423271?pid=1294905881

I don't have any pictures. I actually think that a suggestion to take a before picture would be helpful. I simply was not prepared for a positive result. 

Thanks and take care, 
GumTree
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