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I'm very curious what you think about this new serum Hannah:

"This formula is infused with ID.SCULPT Technology—a blend of Micro-Tingling Spicules and a patented Sodium Deoxycholate Complex—that work together to help define and firm the appearance of skin over time. Experience the exclusive skin secrets from Dr. so and so.

-Micro-Tingling Spicules: Help with effective absorption of product deep into surface layers of skin.
-Sodium Deoxycholate: Helps to smooth and define skin.
-Turmeric Root Extract: Antioxidant ingredient that soothes, hydrates, and nourishes skin

Water, Dipropylene Glycol, Glycerin, Alcohol Denat., Betaine, Pentylene Glycol, Curcuma Longa (Turmeric) Root Extract, 1,2-Hexanediol, PVP, Dimethicone, Linum Usitatissimum (Linseed) Seed Extract, Lactobacillus Ferment, Hydrolyzed Sponge, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Butylene Glycol, Tromethamine, Lecithin, Octyldodeceth-16, Eclipta Prostrata Extract, Glyceryl Polyacrylate, Betaine Salicylate, Polyquaternium-51, Sodium Hyaluronate, Adenosine, Fragrance (Parfum), Xanthan Gum, Alcohol, Disodium EDTA, Dextrin, Phenoxyethanol, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Extract, Sodium Deoxycholate, Prunella Vulgaris Flower/Leaf/Stem Extract, Dioscorea Japonica Root Extract, Morus Alba Root Extract.
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Ouch!

Distrusts fake "technologies"! I this case, they didn't even bother to get a trademark!

Distrusts all "complexes".

Distrust products that rely on their nationality for advertising. Whatever the Korean skin care fashion, the formulations tend to be very occidental, with a couple of ingredients, usually plant extracts, to hint at exoticism. We love French names, French people buy American products, etc. This product contains a couple of Chinese medicine ingredients, and maybe Prunella was considered a remedy for chronic disease a long time ago, but now it is a pretty flower.

Distrust "spicules"! Why would you want to pierce your skin? These are made of fresh water sponges, and they contain silica, plus aluminum and other metals. Bad idea. Maybe it "works" by irritating the skin but always remember that irritation and inflammation are bad for your skin (and the rest of your body).

Turmeric contains antioxidants, so take it in your food, the way it is supposed to be used. It is very yellow, so at Skin Actives we use a modified version that is white (plus is more usable by our skin).

Deoxycholic acid will help you prevent gallstones (if you take it orally). According to Wikipedia, it is one of the main components of the traditional Chinese medicine "Niuhuang", which means "Oxen Yellow" and is bilestone of oxen. I respect traditional medicine as a form of religion, until it is shown to be effective using the scientific method.

As for the rest of the ingredient list, it is a very Occidental skin care product formulation, not very exciting and all over the place. But I like the cocoa. In my chocolate.

Water, Dipropylene Glycol, Glycerin, Denatured alcohol, Betaine, Pentylene Glycol, Turmeric Root Extract, 1,2-Hexanediol, PVP, Dimethicone, Linseed Seed Extract, Lactobacillus Ferment, Hydrolyzed Sponge, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Butylene Glycol, Tromethamine, Lecithin, Octyldodeceth-16, Eclipta Prostrata Extract, Glyceryl Polyacrylate, Betaine Salicylate, Polyquaternium-51, Sodium Hyaluronate, Adenosine, Fragrance, Xanthan Gum, Alcohol, Disodium EDTA, Dextrin, Phenoxyethanol, Cocoa Seed Extract, Sodium Deoxycholate, Prunella Vulgaris Extract, Dioscorea Japonica Root Extract, Morus Alba Root Extract.

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Thanks for the reply. I appreciate your input!

I think they are saying that the spicules help get the Sodium Deoxycholate into the skin.  Sodium Deoxycholate = Kybella - what they inject into chins to get rid of fat.  The idea being you can instead apply it topically and the micro spicules will get it deep enough to sculpt your face/neck.... 
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Think about how awful the whole think is. Would you step on a sponge on the side of the river, knowing that the spicules (usually silica, glass like needles) would pierce into your skin?

Spicula is a small needlelike structure or part, such as one of the silicate or calcium carbonate processes supporting the soft tissue of certain invertebrates, especially sponges

It scares me to know that some people will create the weirdest theories to justify a procedure/method/product that they would never do to themselves, in order to get a salary.

Deoxycholic acid has a job to do in our digestive system, it is an emulsifier, a detergent. It is criminal to inject it in a human in order to "dissolve fats". In any case, dissolved fats can still be used as a source of energy. The fat does not evaporate.

In short, it seems to me that we should not confuse "theories" with fact. Did anybody prove that piercing the skin in order to inject deoxycholate does anything good? I don't think that any university or hospital Ethics committee would approve such an experiment.

I think that "First, do no harm" should be not just for doctors, as in the Hippocratic oath, but for everybody. Even if after harming a person the crook goes to jail, the victim still has a broken body because the crook wanted to make some money.


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You are so right and it's infuriating!  They prey on us and our insecurities - knowing the tiniest glimmer of hope will reel us in.  Yikes!

Thanks again for answering me I appreciate your time 😉
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And I appreciate the information. Most of the new ingredients (good and bad) that I learn about is through our customers and forum.
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