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Oksana

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Karla, I'm curious as to where you ordered your high-quality jojoba oil? So far the emu is not irrititating me but I'd much rather not use oil from an animal.

I'm going to order HA so I can dissolve my EGF in that and distilled water. Did I read that Emily dissolves her licorice in Aloe Vera even though the aloe is hydrophylic? I'm dying to try my licorice in an innocent base so my face can calm down. Or could I dissolve both EGF and Licorice in aloe vera or sea kelp and H20, and forget the HA? Or dissolve the licorice in a tiny amount of emu oil and then blend it into the hydrophylic base, then fold in the EGF?

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Hi Karla...

Duhhhhhh...you're right!!! I meant vasoconstrictor ....hee hee...

 

Topical Caffeine-Based Moisturizers - Caffeine, when applied topically results in mild constriction of blood vessels and subsequent decreases in blood flow. Several of the large skin care companies specializing in the treatment of sensitive skin are now testing topical caffeine derivatives in their products. This could be very useful to rosacea sufferers.

 

Anyway, my replenix did not have caffeine....There are 2 types, and I purchased the caffeine-free one...which is why I can't understand why the blood vessels...they were probably already there...covered by the redness.....

I hope this helps...

Doh.

 

 

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Welcome, Andy and Mermaid!    I'm so glad that you're having success with SA products. I've been around for awhile but have just decided to get out of denial about my rosacea. I've had to start at the beginning again and take a more conservative and cautiously experimental approach.  I've had some actives cause my skin to flare up and I'm not sure which ones - do follow the advice of all the veterans to start slow and add things one at a time. The sea kelp is definitely good for my skin. But last night when I got out of the shower, my skin felt a bit dry, so I put on more jojoba oil than usual and my left cheek (the worst area) felt a bit itchy.

 

I do have an EGF kit and would like to try it in sea kelp and water like Karla does. Karla, can you tell me how much water and sea kelp you use? And can you keep the 3/4 of a vial of reconstituted EFG? I thought I read somewhere that you have to add it to Dermagen if you're not using the whole amount? I'm confused.

Will the licorice dissolve in that base if I pound it fine and microwave it a bit?

What is the benefit of using HA? That's one active I don't have on hand.

   I think I'll be a newbie forever.

 

Oksana

 

HI Oksana,

 

The HA benefit seems to be moisture and plumping the skin, it's also soothing and non-irritating.  Also, it makes a gel when water is added so very useful as a base to add actives too, like the licorice.

 

Haven't gotten a pestle yet nor tried the microwave but most of it liquifies, more so each day over time, in the HA/distilled water.  I just apply w/a light touch so any "grains" don't scratch and they just roll of later.

 

For the Egf it wasn't very scientific, I measured 1 oz distilled water into a glass jar, then added  a "blob" maybe a tbs or less of sea kelp and shook vigorously.  Then added the 3/4 efg and keep in the fridge.  Each week I pour off a little into a smaller glass vial to use, so the larger bottle isn't being opened every day.

 

If anyone has recommendations on how much sea kelp would be best per oz of water in terms of sustaining the Egf would love to hear it!  Also if there's anything else that's a "protein" that it might need (wasn't that what hannah said it needed).

 

 


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Thanks Karla. I'm still a bit confused, though - now you're saying 3/4 EGF..?? Where do you store the rest.

I hope others will help us out here with the EGF questions.

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Thanks Karla. I'm still a bit confused, though - now you're saying 3/4 EGF..?? Where do you store the rest.

I hope others will help us out here with the EGF questions.

 

Oh, sorry...here goes:

 

The EGF comes in 2 very small vials, one is Saline, you mix the two and it's considered "reconstituted" and then you add that to 4 oz Canvas cream.  Well I don't want to use the Canvas on my rosacea so I bugged everyone to death about how to mix it in a very plain base, and the net effect was that I put 3/4 of that EGF reconstitued (the 2 vials mixed) into 1 oz of distilled water/sea kelp blob blend.  That's the jar I keep in the fridge and pour off a small amount each week.  .  I apply that 1st am/pm, then my HA/licorice/distilled water serum and then if I feel dry top that w/one of my oils.

 

The 1/4 reconstitued EGF left over (which is only a few drops), is still in that small vial it came in and is in the fridge too, but I'm not sure if it's any good as hannah had said that it really isn't happy being alone in water and needs other protiens.

 

If you want to get started right away w/the licorice,  you can just mix some w/water in a bowl and smear it on your face.  It's going to be grainy but you'll still get the effects of it.  Just go lightly so you don't scratch your skin.  I did that at first.

 

The HA mixed w/the licorice and dist. water makes a gel and the longer it sits, the more of the licorice breaks down and it gets smoother.

 

Does that help?

 

 


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I feel better that you were a pest because now I feel like one.     I am ordering HA as it does seem to be useful but - you guessed it - I'm eager to start the licorice right away. In the past, I've just put some on a piece of paper and crushed it finer with the back of a spoon. Maybe if I dissolve it in a bit of emu oil (which my skin seems to like), and then blend it with aloe vera gel, it will dissolve better?

I don't see why I can't put the EGF into that base too...I would be more inclined to using the whole vial though, because I have a feeling that the stuff leftover in your fridge is not usable any more (at least that's my best guess).

 

I don't have any preservative, but I have a feeling that my aloe vera gel has enough in it so I'll be okay and I'll keep it in the fridge anyway - that's where I keep all my SAS goodies.

 

Thanks for your help, Karla - you're a darling!

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Hello,

I am new here and it is such a refreshing pleasure to contribute to a forum that is actively concerned about all our respective needs

 

Hello and Welcome!!! were you using pre-made products? 

 

I finally found a beautiful moisturiser which was the Replenix. At first I used the cream but found it a little heavy with too many ingredients I didn't understand. I changed to the Replenix CF serum instead and have never looked back. I love it. Basically it is a lightweight, fast abosorbing, water soluble formula contains 90% polyphenol isolates, derived from green tea. It is fortified with Caffeine. These polyphenol isolates are known for their highly potent antioxidant properties. Also contains hyaluronic acid to provide lightweight moisture and to help improve the texture and tone of the skin. Non-comedogenic and non-sensitizing, the Replenix Serum is suitable for all skin types, particularly sensitive skin.

 

I then found a compounding chemist who makes me batches of 2% Licorice Root Extract into a gel base which my skin tolerates really well. I then mix together the Replenix and Licorice gel in equal amounts.

 

 

 

Mermaid, wondering if you can duplicate that Replenix base here w/the SAS Sea Kelp and Green Tea, if you post the ingredients Hannah can help recommend what you'd need.

 

Doesn't caffiene stimulate circulation and that's why it's used in cellulite preparations?  Seems like that would be bad for rosacea!  I've been curious about that for awhile.

 

 

Hello Karla,

 

It is VERY VERY important to make sure that you are using the Replenix CF Serum which is fortified with caffeine. The one without caffeine is useless for us with Rosacea.

 

The ingredients for the Replenix CF Serum are:

 

purified water, 90% polyphenol isolate, sodium hyaluronate, bisabolol, cucumber extract, chamomile extract, triethanolamine, polysorbate-20, carbomer, methylparaben, diazolidinyl urea, tetrasodium EDTA. 

 

Karla, I react badly to Sea Kelp but your idea is a great one hence the ingredients above.

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Hi Karla,bellamermaid and everyone else!

Caffeine is good for the capillaries since it tends to be a vasodilator (constricts the veins)...that is why it is rapidly becoming popular among rosaceans although some can't tolerate since it tends to break them out.

I've also used replenix...(without the caffeine). I found that it worked amazingly at calming my redness BUT I saw that I was starting to see these capillaries...and so I stopped using it. The capillaries were probably already there but I wasn't sure, so I stopped it. I was also starting to get some break outs because of it...so I put it aside. I feel it is too strong for my face and so I am looking forward to mixing it with licorice etc for my face and trying it that way.

Replenix has wonderful ingredients such as chamomile, HA, and green tea ECGC?...but i'll leave that for someone else to post...

Bellamermaid, did you have any capillaries pop up as a result of replenix?

Thankssssssssssss.

Hello Gigi,

 

It is so frustrating that different things work for some and not for others. I crave consistency but alas, rosacea is such a fickle creature.

 

If anything, the Replenix fortified with Caffeine diminishes any signs of broken vessels. The thing is that broken capillaries have never been a problem with me so perhaps I am not the best person to ask.

 

Also it is the only moisturiser which keeps my face calm and clear of blemishes. Now that I have started mixing Licorice into it, it really is amazing how great my skin is looking and feeling........fingers crossed.

 

I just want to stress again that the Replenix without Caffeine is not a good choice for rosaceans.

 

Good luck Gigi!

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Easy! But please note that the ingredients are not (as they should) in order of concentration.

Purified water, 90% polyphenol isolate, sodium hyaluronate, bisabolol, cucumber extract, chamomile extract, triethanolamine, polysorbate-20, carbomer, methylparaben, diazolidinyl urea, tetrasodium EDTA.

Water, hyaluronic acid, green tea EGCG, bisabolol, Germaben II.


For rosaceans, I would use  LiquaPar instead of the Germaben II they are using.




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Easy! But please note that the ingredients are not (as they should) in order of concentration.

Purified water, 90% polyphenol isolate, sodium hyaluronate, bisabolol, cucumber extract, chamomile extract, triethanolamine, polysorbate-20, carbomer, methylparaben, diazolidinyl urea, tetrasodium EDTA.

Water, hyaluronic acid, green tea EGCG, bisabolol, Germaben II.


For rosaceans, I would use  LiquaPar instead of the Germaben II they are using.




 

Oh Hannah, I do love you for putting Green tea & bisabolo in that list as those are 2 of the new actives I just got and have been bugging people on another thread about how to use them.

 

So just those 5 ingredients above would be all you'd mix to duplicate the Replenix w/caffine?

 

But what about the camomile....

 

I've got the Green tea successfully in a gel, waiting in that glass cat eye jar that came w/my order (a very cool jar by the way!) Can I just mix that w/the other 4 ingredients or 5 if we add camomile?

 

 

Thank you!

 

 


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