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now im going on low dose isotretinoin so ill wait and see a little. if i was going to have laser treatments, i might test egf before hand. isotretinoin makes the epidermis very dry and fragile so i dare not adding new actives to my skin. 

 

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I don't understand your worries. Our clients with rosacea don't haveto use tea tree oil because they have sea kelp bioferment, EGF, etc.

Have you tried our actives at all? You should have no need of fungicides once you start using our actives.



Dermatologists recommend anti-fungals, i too find them useful. however, having rosacea usually you get into trouble when you take the orala cause they dont provide anti-inflammatory or minor immune-suppression like the antibiotics. my rosacea requires antibiotics and i would not recommend the minority of rosaceans with severe rosacea to stop taking drugs..cause thats not a useful strategy. in general you tolerate much more creams and topicals when you take orals, the skin sensitivity is decreased dramatically.

 

no, skin care is secondary for us, its very important and here egf and other things may be added. i just doubt that we should stop the anti-inflammatory drugs cause the only thing egf does is to speed up the growth of the epidermis, the epidermis that has been thinned from inflammation and yeast. licorice could assist with some anti-angiogenetic as well as anti-inflammatory action.

 

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skin care is important, its 100% for some, 60% for others. not finding the right skin care regimen and you will never beat rosacea, thats for sure. rosacea and seb derm is a vicious circle, cause you are forced to treat seb derm that weakens the epidermis. the topical treatment of seb derm is just slightly counterproductive, you just got no choise, cause the yeast accumulation will be enomous if left untreated.

doenst really make sense, but you gotta try having it to understand.

 

i think honey is worth trying though..it doesnt sound that harsh.

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Great discussion.. My take is that the seb derm sets up because of the environment created by the rosacea. If you can get the rosacea under control, the seb derm should improve. Once the seb derm is there, it lends to inflammation and the "cycle" is fed so this can be difficult.

I had a bout of seb derm on my rosacea last year, and treating the rosacea with a combo of IPL and SA topicals finally got rid of it. I remember trying a few seb derm meds, with a bit of success, but nothing like really treating the rosacea. Different for everyone I'm sure, but that's my take.

Now the egf, licorice, sea kelp, etc. keep both at bay. great!

All the best!

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Beta glucans can be extremely useful as modulators of the immune response. I would go for beta glucan first, if you worry about fungal infection.

http://skinactives.com/products/glucan.htm

EGF will alleviate rosacea and thicken the skin that may have been thinned by previous "cannon" treatments.

It is nice to see that SAS has made available actives that may help our clients avoid (or at least decrease the need) for strong fungicides, antibiotics, steroids and lasers, thus avoiding all kind of side effects plus skin thinning. 



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Aren't we great?

now we agree even more

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sas is great......i agree.

 

        I have used the ltd3 disk for a year now which has  sulphur and zinc in it.--that seemed to clear up most of my skin problems. [i don't think it's the same  zinc as  in the shampoo tho].

my skin was doing good with that.

       NOw my skin is doing great with the addition of

  licorice, egf,glutathione and seakelp. [and aloevera and jojoba oil too].

       I am now in the testing phase for the horsechestnut.

          I don't know why the zinc and sulphur worked tho. ..but i continue to use it since it did start the healing......

emily

 


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You are testing horse chestnut?!?!?!? Yaaaaaay! I keep changing my mind on what to try next. I'm excited to hear your results woooo woooo!

Is this hijacking a thread?

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yes, so far horsechstnt. has passed 2 tests...later tonite it will go for the several hour test.

 

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 horse chest nut against seb derm..hmm...if you say so emily  

 

BTW, i dont tolerate the zincpyrithione, elidel or barrier repair anymore, now i take 200 mg doxycyclin again. thats the problem with fighting seb derm , eventually you may worsen your rosacea from treating the problem from outside. it would be nice if something kept the seb derm down during the day but guess that is asking too much

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